They're probably more concerned about getting things done first.

Also, apparently ESTJs focus on the present, and this is a major part of the ESTJ, but I focus on the future a lot. At their most negative, lesser developed forms, they can be oblivious to how others perceive them and ride roughshod over others.

She said she's always come out ENTJ - all 4 times she's taken it, and she also added that she's 'very J', that her T is strong (ha!!! In fact, ESTJs from what I have read are more middle management types than leaders and smirk at those who find it necessary to always lead. My best friend is an ESTP and we can be deceptively similar. I've been good friends with someone for about 6 years.

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Two extraverts will both get energized by being around people. Too much extraversion between people can lead to a lack of downtime and reflection, however. The ENTJ gets energized being around people and prefers to talk out their thoughts instead of internalizing them.

They are in tune with the structure and order of their environment and seek to understand it. The ESTJ gets energized being around people and prefers to talk out their thoughts instead of internalizing them.

Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable for someone to be an ENTJ in MBTT and an SLE in socionics.

An ESTP could well relate more to the SEE (ESFp) in socionics than to the SLE, although I do know of an ESTP and SLE.

I would say ENTJ's are more visionaries of the future even if they are as good in organizing as ESTJ's. ENTJ's hate being controlled and are probably only comfortable leading. ENTJ's are nerdy-ish and less grounded in physical reality than ESTJ's.

I would say ENTJ's are more interested in theories than ESTJ's who might be more interested in arranging day-to-day activities. They disregard many social norms and traditions as logically irrelevant. They can even be head in the clouds if you catch them during their N-ish moments.Old orders do not matter if they do not serve the ENTJ (the disregard Maverick speaks of).If you speak with one, the passion is to shape a future. A hypothetical example: While the ESTJs are busy managing a workplace, or diligently performing the duties a workplace requires, so that the workplace keeps offering its services, the ENTJs at the same time think about how that workplace itself could be improved so that it, for example, offers more service in less amount of time.I asked this question on EIDB last year, but I didn't feel like it was answered adequately enough.I want to differentiate between the ENTJ and the ESTJ.This is usually done unknowingly by the ESTJ, unbotheredly by the ENTJ .